{"id":1518,"date":"2010-05-12T19:45:06","date_gmt":"2010-05-13T00:45:06","guid":{"rendered":"http:\/\/jimgworld.com\/blog1\/?p=1518"},"modified":"2010-05-12T19:45:06","modified_gmt":"2010-05-13T00:45:06","slug":"socrates-cafe-montclair-may-11-report","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/jimgworld.com\/blog1\/?p=1518","title":{"rendered":"Socrates Caf\u00e9, Montclair: May 11 Report"},"content":{"rendered":"<p>The Socrates Cafe question of the evening \u2013 Is Morality Deeply Rooted in Empathy?<\/p>\n<p>The initial impressions were favorable; morality is strongly tied to empathy.  But what is empathy?  Most of the group appeared to be conflating empathy, the ability to detect and understand another person\u2019s mindset, with sympathy, which is a positive and favorable feeling towards the other person and their mindset.  A late-arriving participant cut thru the fog and made the distinction.  I finally threw in my .02, that morality is close to sympathy, but would not necessarily emerge from empathy in and of itself.  <\/p>\n<p>This question interests me given that I have certain behavioral and cognitive patterns that can be associated with Asperger Syndrome; mostly regarding my lack of EMPATHY.  I am clearly not an \u201cempathic\u201d person; I have a hard time picking up clues about what is going on in another person\u2019s mind.  Once I get to know someone, I get a general sense; but for strangers or people that I am just starting to know, I am \u201cmind blind\u201d.  So does that make me an immoral person?  And thus, does that make all Aspies, people who are mostly \u201cmind blind\u201d, immoral?  <\/p>\n<p>I\u2019d like to think not.  I may not be a saint <!--more-->or philanthropist, but I do harbor some sympathy for the human race and for the  individual members of that race; even if I don\u2019t always understand it or them. It does NOT appear that Aspies are generally less moral than any other group; criminal disposition is definitely NOT associated with Aspergers.  Some <a href=\"http:\/\/en.wikipedia.org\/wiki\/Historical_figures_sometimes_considered_autistic\" target=\"_blank\">historical figures who are suspected<\/a> of having Aspergers are Einstein, Newton, Emily Dickensen, and Simone Weil.<\/p>\n<p>Present <a href=\"http:\/\/hubpages.com\/hub\/Aspergers-Insights\" target=\"_blank\">Aspie suspects include<\/a> Bill Gates, Steven Spielberg, Robin Williams and Woody Allen; all of them have had their altruistic moments.  (Admittedly, the list might also include Hitler, Unibomber Ted Kaczynski, and serial killer Jeffrey Dalmer; oh well, every barrel has its rotten apples).  In sum, it seems to me that morality is related fundamentally to the FEELING of sympathy for others, whether or not that feeling is informed by a keen understanding of the minds of others.  <\/p>\n<p>SIDENOTE: Aspergers is a \u201cgrab bag\u201d condition, not something that has been strictly defined.  Many people tend to think of Aspies as geeks without feelings, robot-like creatures who closet themselves at home with their computers.  And yet, the truth is that Aspies come in many colors and flavors; there are artists, ministers, therapists, teachers, athletes and all kinds of other people who are far from the pimple-faced techie-geek.  <\/p>\n<p>As to myself, I don\u2019t know if I have Asperger Syndrome in the clinical sense (and perhaps I don\u2019t want to know).  But I remain interested in the question, because I think the whole topic of what Aspergers is or isn\u2019t helps me to better understand myself.  And my own experiences might also help to better understand what Asperger Syndrome most likely is or isn\u2019t, given all of the varying viewpoints in that regard.  For instance, there&#8217;s a theory based on certain studies that Aspies have <a href=\"http:\/\/whyfiles.org\/209autism\/3.html\" target=\"_blank\">\u201cextreme-male\u201d mindsets<\/a> and brain structures; under this theory, females Aspies have mental tendencies more typical of men, e.g. logic and systematizing, and male Aspies have even more such abilities than the typical man (to the exclusion of more female tendencies such as empathy and relationship-orientation).  <\/p>\n<p>This makes some sense with me; e.g. I am very interested in \u201csystems analysis\u201d and systemic things like transportation or communication networks, and I can be pretty clumsy with relationships.  So it surprised me when I recently took a little mini-quiz that appeared in <a href=\"http:\/\/well.blogs.nytimes.com\/2010\/05\/10\/tracking-the-science-of-commitment\/\" target=\"_blank\">an article in the NY Times<\/a> entitled \u201cThe Science of a Happy Marriage\u201d.  This quiz is a simple \u201cfill in the blank\u201d exercise to identify two words.  The two word patterns given were LO_AL  and THR__T.  It turns out that men are more likely to identify these words as \u201cLOCAL\u201d and \u201cTHROAT\u201d, words that do not have much emotional import.  However, women are more likely to go with \u201cLOYAL\u201d and \u201cTHREAT\u201d, which show a greater emotional and relationship concern.  <\/p>\n<p>So how did I answer?  My mind immediately went with what turned out to be the feminine choices. I didn\u2019t even consider the male preferences until I read the remainder of the article, which explained the male \/ female difference.   Hmmm, that\u2019s not what you\u2019d expect if Aspies are all \u201csuper males\u201d and I\u2019m a Aspie.  Either Asperger Syndrome is a more complex and individualized situation that is currently thought, or I myself am more complex and unique than previously thought.  OR BOTH !!   As Ron, the Socrates Caf\u00e9 moderator wisely said, the answers to the most important questions often come down to this:  \u201cIT DEPENDS\u201d. <\/p>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p>The Socrates Cafe question of the evening \u2013 Is Morality Deeply Rooted in Empathy? The initial impressions were favorable; morality is strongly tied to empathy. But what is empathy? 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